Subject	How long after money was received did it go to production?
Posted by	SeedyROM on January 29, 2008 at 7:46 PM
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In Reply To	This particular product has changed a lot of how I think posted by Ash's Z on January 29, 2008 at 07:29 PM
Message	I think a lot of people are worried because it smacks of what happened with SteamyZ. We kept wondering why Steve couldn't simply answer calls, respond to emails or do anything without months of planning and it was because the early orders were being used as startup capital to pay for production. Then when the producer lagged, it backfired and destroyed all of them. So even if we all believe the production issue excuse, when combined with communication issues that have always plagued you, it sounds exactly like the tragedy that was SteamyZ. For the record, he was a friend of mine and I still called him out (and do today) so I hope no one even begins to think this is Seedy vs. Ash. I hope we're behind that shit because actions speak louder than words. Now is the time to turn all of that around dude =) Boycott AMS Products - Killing Z32 product innovations, one quickly copied Chinese part at a time. www.SoCalZCrew.com - Come find out how we do it in the West!
Follow Ups	BIG RUMOR. I got an email from Ash a few hours ago regarding - 240Z FeO2 17:43:24 01/29/08 do you like drama (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 17:47:43 01/29/08 lol (n/m) - Guapo 17:51:12 01/29/08 I'm running for Prime Minister.......... Ssshhhh!! (n/m) - Inzane 17:53:54 01/29/08 "WOLF!! WOLF!!!!!" You do remeber that story, right? (n/m) - Dave N 18:10:08 01/29/08 Yikes I guess I have put my credibility at risk? Me and - 240Z FeO2 18:25:17 01/29/08 Nah, but you'd be on some ignore lists if we had them (n/m) - SeedyROM 18:33:09 01/29/08 By now I would assume anyone who announces anything - 240Z FeO2 19:39:12 01/29/08 Your credibility is not at stake but you have to admit that - Dave N 18:54:19 01/29/08 That's a fair and measured assesment, and sound advice too. (n/m) - Barry'z (NJ) 19:05:56 01/29/08 well said (n/m) - 550HPTT 19:11:07 01/29/08 VTF. (n/m) - Tu 19:29:50 01/29/08 This particular product has changed a lot of how I think - Ash's Z 19:29:53 01/29/08 The only quibble I have with your response is in regard - Dave N 19:38:29 01/29/08 How long after money was received did it go to production? - SeedyROM 19:46:35 01/29/08 The order was placed with the manufacturer the same day - Ash's Z 20:42:53 01/29/08 you should consider having them manufactured in China - aliaZ 20:55:46 01/29/08 He could always join AMS and do it the cheap route - 5280Z_nightstalker 00:26:09 01/30/08 Regarding communication, Ash has always responded to - 240Z FeO2 20:53:15 01/29/08 Thus making you the exception, not the rule. (n/m) - Kenny 20:55:11 01/29/08 i have always had good luck with Ash - Alan(NJ) 20:57:01 01/29/08 Glad to see that you are making progress with it - Kong ZTT GT28RS MD 07:54:16 01/30/08 don't forget lack of capital to build an initial run. - Spee 21:45:40 01/29/08 haha i like ur analogy. very clever (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 21:49:19 01/29/08 I dont recall him twisting anyones arm to give up money - 550HPTT 22:25:22 01/29/08 So Ash is Kevin Costner. Are you James Earl Jones then? (n/m) - Eric(NJ) 22:31:52 01/29/08 +1 (n/m) - ZiNnYc 23:52:56 01/29/08 So Ash is a premature discloser. (n/m) - Got Z? 00:45:52 01/30/08 yes...and it begs the question... - Spee 21:39:17 01/29/08 e2-e4 then. (n/m) - 240Z FeO2 02:01:28 01/30/08 So how many months ago was this announced? (n/m) - AZHeat 18:39:51 01/29/08 Just before your oil pan announcement. (n/m) - Dustin 19:31:26 01/29/08 *Waiting for the judges to rule if that was above or below - Dave N 19:40:24 01/29/08 Fair hit (n/m) - 550HPTT 20:11:03 01/29/08 Not posting pictures or giving dates ,or taking orders - AZHeat 21:41:44 01/29/08 Just in time for you not to be able to cancel your orders... - Kenny 20:37:24 01/29/08 price difference may reflect quality - Alan(NJ) 20:44:22 01/29/08 You clearly haven't seen Tom's work. (n/m) - Guapo 20:45:54 01/29/08 im talking about the IC pipes - Alan(NJ) 20:48:21 01/29/08 if you had, you wouldn't question the quality of his work (n/m) - Guapo 21:05:23 01/29/08 T0m's welding is top-notch. The difference is out-sourcing. - Kenny 20:54:33 01/29/08 the pics Ash provided - Alan(NJ) 21:01:21 01/29/08 It's probably a safe bet neither will leak / have issues. - Kenny 21:06:32 01/29/08 ...and availability and CUSTOMER SERVICE (n/m) - ENVYMYZ 08:49:42 01/30/08 and doyou have pics of TOMs 2.5 IC pipes? (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 21:02:59 01/29/08 I'm sure T0m does, send him an email. (n/m) - Kenny 21:09:41 01/29/08 i'm getting Ashs IC pipes - Alan(NJ) 21:15:10 01/29/08 LOL! - Dustin 21:21:43 01/29/08 your attempt at making Alan look bad is really lame (n/m) - ZEngineer 21:36:01 01/29/08 Sorry, there wasn't much I could add. (n/m) - Dustin 21:42:04 01/29/08 glad you find it funny - Alan(NJ) 21:38:38 01/29/08 Your "sticking to Ash's IC pipes" completely contradicts - Dustin 21:55:54 01/29/08 like Kenny said - Alan(NJ) 22:32:05 01/29/08 I thought you were asking for pics? - Kenny 21:41:41 01/29/08 just wanted to see TOMs "top-notch" welding quality - Alan(NJ) 21:47:01 01/29/08 visit his website. He has a gallery. (n/m) - AZHeat 21:53:58 01/29/08 nothing on the 2.5" IC pipes tho (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 22:00:34 01/29/08 Do you understand the concept of "past performance?" - Kenny 22:04:08 01/29/08 he may rush to get that first batch out to beat - Alan(NJ) 22:12:28 01/29/08 Now you're just grasping at straws. - Kenny 22:20:08 01/29/08 Re: Now you're just grasping at straws. - Alan(NJ) 22:24:50 01/29/08 Well, that's why I said to send him an email. - Kenny 21:55:00 01/29/08 i've seen his work (website/pics) - Alan(NJ) 22:00:01 01/29/08 Tom is the freaking man. He will get my money once i'm ready - ali300zx 21:57:11 01/29/08 how long ago did you pay for the pipes you don't have yet? (n/m) - Spee 22:01:37 01/29/08 i knew what i got myself into - Alan(NJ) 22:05:11 01/29/08 This was back in October he made an annoucement and price - AZHeat 22:07:44 01/29/08 You don't mind giving Ash an interest free loan? - Spee 22:10:22 01/29/08 what he does with his money is his business - Alan(NJ) 22:16:41 01/29/08 *WT Direct. 4.3% APY. (n/m) - rojoloco (Yokosuka, Japan) 07:37:36 01/30/08 yup, got pics right here of TOMS 2.5 pipes and IC's on my Z - tya 02:02:45 01/30/08 those arent even PC'd - Alan(NJ) 08:25:19 01/30/08 Alan, get off Ash's bandwagon. - sparkie 08:54:21 01/30/08 not on a bandwagon - Alan(NJ) 09:35:01 01/30/08 and like i mentioned before - Alan(NJ) 09:40:28 01/30/08 You don't have to powdercoat aluminum.. - Kong ZTT GT28RS MD 08:59:04 01/30/08 form over function - tya 10:01:50 01/30/08 i understand - Alan(NJ) 10:07:52 01/30/08 It's moot, he'll powdercoat the mild steel. (n/m) - Kenny 10:16:58 01/30/08 moot?? (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 10:18:18 01/30/08 Re: moot?? - Kenny 10:46:26 01/30/08 thank you sir (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 11:03:24 01/30/08 Don't you mean function over form? (n/m) - Kong ZTT GT28RS MD 15:37:28 01/30/08 lol, stop playing. - Spee 21:55:12 01/29/08 i kno - Alan(NJ) 22:01:24 01/29/08 LOL - Spee 21:37:16 01/29/08 ZToyz-like customer service FTW! =p (n/m) - ZLover4Life 00:30:38 01/30/08 bout time! (n/m) - moxie (SF) 00:40:27 01/30/08 BIG LoL (n/m) - RSR 07:54:36 01/30/08 This is ridiculous.... - eriksu9 09:43:20 01/30/08 Re: This is ridiculous.... - Kenny 09:58:06 01/30/08 stop making sense. (n/m) - ZiNnYc 12:36:14 01/30/08
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